Respected Sunil Ji,
Thanks for removing the doubts. Your interpretation method is termed as good.Keep it up
God Bless You
regards
Nirma;
--- In astrostudents@
>
> Respected Nirmal ji,
>
> Saadar Pranam,
>
> First it is my humble request that please do not use Respected with my
> name as I don't even stand among you stalwarts learned person's as far
> as my studies are concerned i am just a disciple in the quest for
> learning. You all are my elder brother's so I would love to be called by
> my name. Sir I have tried from my level best to satisfy your
> apprehensions but as all of you are the better judge of revered lal
> kitab so I cannot challenge the authorities. In the group I received a
> mail from Respected Kulbir ji where he has given me my best
> interpretations of the things" that it is up to the individual to choose
> what he thinks is best" God bless him. Sir I apologize if I lack
> somewhere in any respect to clarify my point of view before coming to
> your queries.
>
> //
> Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya
> the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942 transliteration page
> no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it is a
> reference to the janam kundli of the person
> //
>
> Frankly speaking I could not made it out from Farman. No 1. Your further
> elaboration in these lines will oblige me.
>
> Respected sir the first two lines of farmaan no.1 of 1942
> transliteration is self explanatory but still if required one can check
> farmaan no.3 for elaboration.
> And to furthermore if required one can read Farmaan no1. and Farmaan
> no.6. of 1939 and Armaan no.1 of 1940's transliteration.
> on page no.2 I feel all the doubts gets more cleared.).
>
> In my opinion it is clearly mentioned by the person that ,whatever was
> written or predestined from the day one in his fate.(whether it is good
> or bad) so is the person going through the bad and the smooth phases of
> his life.
> I feel that to see any person's life at a glance (the good and the bad
> phases) we have to take a look at the horoscope of that person this was
> the reason I linked up with it.
>
> //
> Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya
> the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very first
> line of the page
> Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai
> Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam kundli
>
> //
> May you link up the Grah phal issue with Planetary position in Aakhiri
> Kundli.
>
> Respected Sir, I am unable to write down all the assessments made but I
> would like to request you to watch for the planets which are of grehphal
> in janam kundli on page 384, shukur in 8th house and then have a look at
> faisla kundli with sun and budh in 7th house.
>
> I feel that that there is some linking problem between the meaning of
>
>
> a) Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya
> and
> b) Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai
>
> in my opinion while a) gives the feeling of a complaint against God,
>
> Here I feel that its not the complaint but definitely a frustration
> towards god.
>
> the b) in general is a advisory nature sentence.
>
> Respected Sir definitely the sentence is in advisory nature and so is
> revered lal kitab. But here what I understand as the line says Khud
> insaan ki paesh na jaave (means where a person is not in a position to
> help himself), hukum vidhaata hota hai.(that's the order of vidhaata)
>
> Here once again I'll request you about grehphal. That's the reason why
> vidhaata has given hukum so that no body would be able to change god's
> plan.
>
> //
> c) Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai
> the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration second
> line of the page
> d) sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai
>
> //
> In my opinion the line c) gives impression that "let me see what He has
> kept for me as His Last Order.
>
> Here I would like to club up the complete sentence from kismat to your
> point a) ,b) and c).
> To conclude the above sentence i would read it like that what ever was
> written in person's fate whether it was good or bad is showing its
> effects and the vidhaata is not giving any chance for mercy from the
> planets which he is unable to change for his better prospects. But he is
> still looking for the last commandment for him that may be in coming
> year (varshphal) will ensure his betterment or going worst.
>
> and again d) is a advisory nature line which tells us what This Lal
> Kitab is meant for the native.
> What is the astrology for. It is being used for seeking the position of
> Sukh, Daulat & Umar. Whole science of Lalkitab is teaching us to How to
> read these. In my view Aakhiri Kundli is the Akhri Farmaan of the Book.
>
> Respected Sir I would like to request you that this is not the aakhiri
> farmaan but definitely a milestone (good or may be bad) in the life of
> this person.
> Respected Sir I feel this person is getting hukum of vidhaata for his
> 44th years varshaphal with dhokey ka greh(shukur) playing a major role
> with one of his masnooi greh(ketu) which are going to give his kismat ka
> faisla. That's the reason I co-related sukh daulat aur saans akhiri,
> umar ka faisala hota hai.
>
> /
> Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the varshaphal
> in concern by making faisala kundli
>
> //
> in fact, I find myself unable to decode this from First Armaan rather in
> whole 1942 book that Aakhiri Kundli be referred to use at every
> varshphal interpretation. I wish some more in this regard from you as
> this will help all of us to study the subject further.
>
> Respected Sir I request you to try with some other varshaphal of the
> same kundli may be that will clear my point of view.
>
> //
> Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke mutabik
> accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge.
> //
>
> From your mail i can judge that you have done very comprehensive study
> of the book. if you remember please tell us whether these lines occurs
> elsewhere. in Lalkitab at place other than page 384.
>
> Respected Sir, I would like to request you to go through page no.72 &
> 73.
> The line above starting from MASLAN and the first line below ending
> with PHAL DENGE. are the lines which I have taken from the original page
> no.384. I wrote it just to ensure that I won't miss a single line from
> the original page and this i did for the every single line of page
> no.384.
>
> //
> Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge.
> I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh which
> comes twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal
> varshaphal kundli.
>
> //
>
> I have different opinion. I feel that this is against the rules. Even
> Pandit Ji did not follow this method in the example Kundlis. Has this a
> general rule then Pundit Ji must have mentioned in every book where
> topic of Varshphal is discussed.
>
> Respected Sir I would request you to make 4-5 kundli of the same
> birthchart while selecting varshaphal randomly or 5 consecqutive years
> and see the faisala kundli for every year. Hope I will be able to
> convince you.
>
> I hope that I had tried my level best to answer your queries and once
> again I apologize if knowingly or unknowingly did any mistakes in any
> manner.
>
> Regards
>
> Sunil Ailawadi.
>
>
> --- In astrostudents@
> <mskondal@> wrote:
> >
> > dated 31.7.2009
> > Respcted Yograj ji,
> > Charan pranaam and first of all thank
> you very much for your kind and courage building words.I have all the
> respect and regards for you in my life and that will increase more from
> today onwards.
> > I am your younger brother and your disciple as I too had learned many
> good things from you if anybody thinks he can part us by words or by any
> conscipiracy ,then those forces are at mistake.
> >
> > Sir you are my elder and i should feel sorry if i had hurt you at any
> point and you have all the rights to say me any thing as I know you are
> my well wisher and what ever you will do, it is accepted to me in any
> form whether it is a reward or punishment.
> >
> > DOST AUR GURU TO WOH HI HAI JO BARISH MEIN BHEEGAE HUE AAP KE CHEHRE
> KO BHI DEKH KAR BAARISH AUR AANSU MEIN FARAK JAAN LE.
> >
> > Sir this is your goodness whatever you had written for me and for
> my friends.you should not appologise for anything as i know you can't do
> anything wrong for me and any other lal kitab learner.
> > Today our group is picking up nicely and lot of people
> and divisive forces are working together to part us and I warn all those
> people and forces that we are very much aware of each and every action
> of opposition.
> >
> > Though I write very few mails but I regularly
> monitor group activities and had never reacted directly to anybody and
> never made any personal remarks.Some people might have lot of time to
> find faults of others but I had never done this job and would never like
> to do so.jis ka kaam usiko saajae.
> > our group moto is to unite people rather than divide.
> >
> > regards,
> > ms kondal
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________
> > From: Yograj Prabhakar yr_prabhakar@
> > To: astrostudents@
> > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:19:05 PM
> > Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Aakhiri kundli - Another angle
> >
> >
> > Dear Kulbir ji,
> >
> > No one can even dare to think about clipping the wings of our most
> respected colleague Acharya Maneshwar Singh Kondal ji He is not any
> ordinary bird, rather he is a Babbar Sher and everybody will think
> twice even before thinking of touching his tail. I hope that Kondal
> Sahib will take it as a friendly banter.
> >
> > Archarya Kondal Sahib, the very existence of this forum is based on
> the following four strong pillars:
> >
> > (1). Shri Nirmal Bhardwaj ji
> > (2). Acharya MS Kondal ji
> > (3). Sh. Kubir Bains ji
> > (3). Sh. PK Sharma ji
> >
> > We need all the pillars intact as strong as ever, because your power
> of knowledge and experience is the very lifeline of this group. Finally,
> I render my unconditional apology to Acharya Kondal Sahib in a hope that
> he will pardon ME if he felt offended in any way.
> >
> > Sincerely
> > Yograj Prabhakar
> >
> > --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@
> ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Kondal Sahib, i can understand " kuch to mazbooriyan rahin hongi,
> yon
> > > hi koi bewafa nahin hota " kai gal tuhade kis ne par katte ne.
> Tussin
> > > kyon nahin bolde. Chalo jo tuhada zameer kahe. Regards. Kulbir.
> > >
> > > On 7/30/09, maneshwar singh kondal mskondal@ .> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----
> > > > From: maneshwar singh kondal mskondal@ .>
> > > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Cc: maneshwar singh kondal mskondal@ .>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:14:31 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Aakhiri kundli - Another angle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > dated 30-7-2009
> > > > parindon ko manzil milengi yakeenan
> > > > yeh faile hue unke par bolte hai
> > > >
> > > > wohi log rehte hai khaamosh aksar
> > > > zamaane mein jinke hunar bolte hai......
> > > >
> > > > charan pranaam to all respected senior members ,and hello to all
> my
> > > > colleagues,
> > > >
> > > > first of all i will pay my respect and regards to sunil ji for
> such a
> > > > deep and nice explanation on the subject.i feel really happy to
> see how
> > > > the thinking is changing day by day to a positive side with
> respect to
> > > > the teachings of lal kitab amongst the astrologers as well as
> amateurs.
> > > >
> > > > This was the prime goal of this astrostudents group to make people
> > > > aware of the original books on lal kitab and to ensure that
> readers
> > > > apply its actual teachings and guidelines in their routine life
> and get
> > > > themselves benefitted in all respects .
> > > >
> > > > this is a big achievement towards the realization of the goal for
> spreading
> > > > the knowledge of lal kitab and its teachings.
> > > > may god blesss all the humanity and of course the followers and
> preachers of
> > > > lal kitab.
> > > > once again i thanks sunil ji for his innovativeness and the
> sincerety for
> > > > the lal kitab.
> > > >
> > > > tufaan ki kami nahi jeevan mein
> > > > ladte hue safar karna hoga
> > > > jo milenge zakhm safar-e-rahon mein
> > > > unhe hi zindagi ka tajurba kehna hoga
> > > > laakh zakhm khaane par bhi
> > > > har zakhm naya hoga
> > > > tajurba kitna hi kyu na ho
> > > > har safar naya hoga
> > > >
> > > > keep it up.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > MS KONDAL
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > > From: Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj nirbhar@ >
> > > > To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:25:48 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Aakhiri kundli - Another angle
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Respected Sunil Ji,
> > > > Accept my Salutations for interpreting and interlinking the Last
> page and
> > > > First page. This type of study is expected from every lalkitab
> student like
> > > > me.I have few apprehensions which i would like to mention below:
> > > >
> > > > //
> > > > Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya
> > > > the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942
> transliteration page
> > > > no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here it
> is a
> > > > reference to the janam kundli of the person
> > > > //
> > > >
> > > > Frankly speaking I could not made it out from Farman. No 1. Your
> further
> > > > elaboration in these lines will oblige me.
> > > >
> > > > //
> > > > Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya
> > > > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration very
> first
> > > > line of the page
> > > > Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai
> > > > Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam
> kundli
> > > > //
> > > > May you link up the Grah phal issue with Planetary position in
> Aakhiri
> > > > Kundli.
> > > >
> > > > I feel that that there is some linking problem between the meaning
> of
> > > > a) Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya
> > > > and
> > > > b) Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai
> > > > in my opinion whilea) gives the feeling of a complaint against
> God,the b) in
> > > > general is a advisory nature sentence.
> > > >
> > > > //
> > > > c) Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai
> > > > the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration
> second line of
> > > > the page
> > > > d) sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai
> > > > //
> > > > In my opinion the line c) gives impression that "let me see what
> He has kept
> > > > for me as His Last Order. and again d) is a advisory nature line
> which
> > > > tells us what This Lal Kitab is meant for the native.
> > > > What is the astrology for. It is being used for seeking the
> position of
> > > > Sukh, Daulat & Umar. Whole science of Lalkitab is teaching us to
> How to
> > > > read these. In my view Aakhiri Kundli is the Akhri Farmaan of the
> Book.
> > > >
> > > > //
> > > > Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the
> varshaphal in
> > > > concern by making faisala kundli
> > > > //
> > > >
> > > > in fact, I find myself unable to decode this from First Armaan
> rather in
> > > > whole 1942 book that Aakhiri Kundli be referred to use at every
> varshphal
> > > > interpretation. I wish some more in this regard from you as this
> will help
> > > > all of us to study the subject further.
> > > >
> > > > //
> > > > Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is nai kundli ke
> mutabik
> > > > accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge.
> > > > //
> > > >
> > > > From your mail i can judge that you have done very comprehensive
> study of
> > > > the book. if you remember please tell us whether these lines
> occurs
> > > > elsewhere. in Lalkitab at place other than page 384.
> > > >
> > > > //
> > > > Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal denge.
> > > > I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh
> which comes
> > > > twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the normal
> > > > varshaphal kundli.
> > > > //
> > > >
> > > > I have different opinion. I feel that this is against the rules.
> Even Pandit
> > > > Ji did not follow this method in the example Kundlis. Has this a
> general
> > > > rule then Pundit Ji must have mentioned in every book where topic
> of
> > > > Varshphal is discussed.
> > > >
> > > > //
> > > > Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji ,
> kulbir ji,
> > > > umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli is
> incomplete
> > > > as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which are
> playing key
> > > > part in this Faisala kundli.
> > > > //
> > > >
> > > > You are right .As per the rules illustrated in the kundli, Su & Me
> should be
> > > > there. Is this required or left intentionaly or by Publlisher, I
> cannot
> > > > comment because in such type of situationthe clarification can
> only be given
> > > > by the Author or the person equivalent to His rank. I am a kid as
> far as
> > > > Lalkitab is concerned.
> > > > .
> > > > I have seen rarely such type of innovative mails in group
> discussions.
> > > > Please Keep it up. Your contributions are urgently required in the
> group.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Nirmal
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:29 PM, kulbir bance <kulbirbance@
> gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >>Sunil ji, sun and mercury are not key planets as they don't repeat
> > > >>>themselves. There is ample material on record where all possible
> > > >>>angles have been explained. Now it is for the individual to
> choose
> > > >>>what he thinks best. Regards. Kulbir.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>On 7/29/09, sunil.ailawadi15067 4 <sunil.ailawadi1506 7
> 4@yahoo.co. in>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>> Respected Nirmalji,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I am a scholar of revered lal kitab who is trying to learn
> A.B.C. of lal
> > > >>>> kitab from everything and everyone in the best possible way. I
> don't
> > > >>>> know
> > > >>>> how much my attempt is in right direction but as per my little
> knowledge
> > > >>>> which i gathered from the mails published of respected
> prabhakar ji,
> > > >>>> kulbir
> > > >>>> ji, bhatia ji, kondal ji, lalkitabee ji, umeshji, punitji and
> many other
> > > >>>> respected and responsible personalities like u to this group.
> > > >>>> I would like to give my point of view for aakhiri kundli
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> If u look for the very first line which is
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Yaar ki yari se talluk hai
> > > >>>> uske aib se nahi
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> here it is referred to masnoi greh as we are more concerned
> about the
> > > >>>> good
> > > >>>> part of any greh rather then its bad part.after reading my
> opinion
> > > >>>> kindly go
> > > >>>> through these two lines once again.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Kismat ne bahut kuch bura bhala dikhaya
> > > >>>> the answer for this line is in farmaan no.1 in 1942
> transliteration page
> > > >>>> no.1 by my Respected Guruji Pt. Veni Madhav Goswamiji . Here
> it is a
> > > >>>> reference to the janam kundli of the person
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Vidhaata ne bhi na kuch reham khaya
> > > >>>> the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration
> very first
> > > >>>> line of the page
> > > >>>> Khud insaan ki paesh na jaave, hukum vidhaata hota hai
> > > >>>> Here it is referred to the greh which are of greh phal in janam
> kundli
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Magar ab uska aakhiri farmaan kya hai
> > > >>>> the answer for this line is on page no.1 1942 transliteration
> second
> > > >>>> line of
> > > >>>> the page
> > > >>>> sukh,daulat aur saans aakhiri, umar ka faisala hota hai
> > > >>>> Here it is referred to check the three basics things from the
> varshaphal
> > > >>>> in
> > > >>>> concern by making faisala kundli
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Aakhiri kundli
> > > >>>> Pehle gharon mein varsh phal ke greh baad ke gharon mein janam
> kundli ke
> > > >>>> greh aur uss kundli ke number 10 mein dhokhe ke greh likhenge
> natija
> > > >>>> neez
> > > >>>> faisla hoga.Maslan jo greh do dafa aa jaave veh apna faisla is
> nai
> > > >>>> kundli ke
> > > >>>> mutabik accha ya bura kismat ka faisla denge.
> > > >>>> i feel this is the way of making final kundli for every year's
> > > >>>> varshaphal
> > > >>>> other than what we study as normal varshaphal. it is very
> important to
> > > >>>> read
> > > >>>> about Dhoke ka Grah in addition to varsh phal kundli.A table is
> given in
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>> book on page no.72 of 1942 transliteration to find out dhoke ka
> grah in
> > > >>>> every year of life based on janam kundli. From this final
> kundli we can
> > > >>>> check out for the greh(which comes twice) who are going to play
> a lead
> > > >>>> role
> > > >>>> in the person's kundli and are definately going to give there
> results
> > > >>>> whether good or bad as far as the kismat for that person is
> concerned
> > > >>>> for
> > > >>>> that certain year's varshaphal
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Agar is tarteeb se na aave veh varshaphal ke mutaabik phal
> denge.
> > > >>>> I feel that if in any particular year we didn't find any greh
> which
> > > >>>> comes
> > > >>>> twice as per faisala kundli, only then we should follow the
> normal
> > > >>>> varshaphal kundli.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Here I would like to draw kind attn. of Respected prabhakar ji
> , kulbir
> > > >>>> ji,
> > > >>>> umesh ji, punit ji and your goodself that this faisala kundli
> is
> > > >>>> incomplete
> > > >>>> as i feel in 7th house the sun and budh are missing . which
> are playing
> > > >>>> key
> > > >>>> part in this Faisala kundli.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Being a student with very little knowledge . I request all the
> senior
> > > >>>> respected members to forgive me for my mistakes as I am still
> in the
> > > >>>> learning process of revered lal kitab and I humbly request all
> the
> > > >>>> respected
> > > >>>> members mentioned above to correct me for the 7th house sun
> and budh in
> > > >>>> faisala kundli.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Regards
> > > >>>> Sunil Ailawadi
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>--
> > > >>>Sent from my mobile device
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from my mobile device
> > >
> >
>
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