Thursday, March 26, 2009

[astrostudents] What to do in case it is necessary to do things restricted in lal kitab

Respected members and master gurujans,

Sadar Parnam,

Please suggest some remedial measures for the following situations,
1. Saturn in 8th house : construction or repair of house
2. Moon in 6th house : digging bore/well in house

Yogita

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009

[astrostudents] PANDIT RUP CHAND JEE AUR LAL KITAB

Members,

Navrataron ki shubh kamnayo ke saath hee ek alag hee tarah ka topic shuru kar rahan hoon jiski mein aap sab se pehle hee kshama maang leta hoon aur mein chahata ki sab log/member iss mein bhag lein.

Jaisa ki aajkal aap sab dekh rahe hain LAL KITAB ke specialist aap ko har gali ki nukaad ,bazar,mohalla ya shehar mein mil jayenge (mein bhee unn mein se hoon aisa mera manana hai, mein  appvaad nahi),  jinki marzi/ichha ho to apni suee(needle) kee noke(hole) se haathi gujjar jane dein agar marzi na ho to aapke haathi kee punchh bhee na gujrane dein.LAL KITAB  ko hum sab samjhane ka daawa to karte hain ,lekin kitna samajh paye hain ,iska kya paimana hai ,yeh sab kuchh hamara hee banaya hua hai.Hum khud hee apni samajh ke anusar har uss baat ka arath nikal lete hain jo humko hamari samjh ke anusar sahi lagti hai, uski kisi se charcha nahi karna chahte ki koi uska fayda na udha le (jabki woh sarasar galat hoti hai).

Kya koi aisee sanstha hai jo  ki LAL KITAB kee samajh rakhne walo ko ek hee  manch pradan karei aur uska member banane ka gaurav mil jaye to insan(LAL KITAB KE JANKAR) apne aap ko bhagyashali samjhe.Aaj to har aadmi apni dukandari chala raha hai LAL KITAB ke naam par.

Mujh ko aisa lagta hai ki aaj bhee agar kahin LAL KITAB par koi exam ho, aur uss mein pandit jee hissa lete to  unko FAIL kar dete.kyonki LAL KITAB kee atma ko hum samjhne ki cheshta hee nahi karte ya kar rahe bas apni apni dhafli ,apna apna raag .kya LAL KITAB issiliye likhi gayee thee ki iss se apni dukandari chalayo , kisi ka bhala ho ya na ho, apni jholi to bhar lo apna bhala to kar lo.Mere khayal se abb samay aa gaya hai ki LAL KITAB ke premi ek manch par ikathe ho aur aapas mein vichar vimarsh karke kuchh hal nikale.

Kya aisa nahi ho sakta ki koi LAL KITAB par seminar kiya jaye yahan par logo ki samasayon ka LAL KITAB ke aadhar par samadhan kiya jaye aur logo se iss ke liye koi paisa/fee na vasool kiya jaye. Sab LAL KITAB ke premion ka mahine mein ek din milna kya mushkil hai ? Yeh camp ya seminar har baar alag alag shehar mein lagaya jaye aur iss par jo kharcha aaye usko divide kiya jaye, sab member ek din iss par baith kar charcha karein ya issi group mein apne vichar pragat kar de to bhee achha hai. Iss se samaj mein jo LAL KITAB ke baare mein bhrantiya failly huee hain woh bhee nikal jayengi aur NAALE PUNYA TE NAALE FALLIYAN wali baat ho jayegi. Iss se Pujya Pandit Jee ne jo kuchh bhee LAL KITAB ko lekar socha hoga shayad pura ho jaye.Sab se pehle mein hee apne shehar LUDHIANA mein camp/seminar rakh sakta hoon, sab zumevari meri , aap sab ka saath chahiye. Apni razamandi avash bheje , lekin ek baar baith kar charch a zaroor kar lein aap jo bhee sthan chunege charcha ke liye mujhe manzoor hoga.

Pujya Pandit Jee aur Lal Kitab ke baare ek baar soche aur apna haath ek baar zaroor badaye .Fir dekhe ki aapki zindgi mein kitna badlav aata hai.

Shubhkamna Sahit

MAHAJAN

 

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Re: [astrostudents] Contradiction to Vedic astrology

Dear Ashok,

Lalkitab is based on the different platform than the traditional astrology which is based astronomy. The main base of this science is Palmistry and Qyafa. The Horoscope should be made from palms considering different lines & marks. It is told in the book that till the proficiency in this technique is not gained ,one can use the Horoscope made on the basis of astronomy, and that too by leaving aside signs & nakshatra part at all.Only House kundli is to be taken.Thus one may find contradiction if one uses mixed rules of traditional astrology and Lalkitab.

The contradiction occur only when one mix the rules of one system to another. You know the rules of Ayurveda, Homoeopathic and allopathic differ from each other, while the purpose of all the same is to treat the disease. 

In my opinion,  One must follow the rules of systems for which he is practising. 

Regards

Nirmal


On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:45 PM, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Members,
I have seen the condition where Lal kitab totally contradict with Vedic
astrology.
Here is the birth chart:

HNO1 :(Rashi-7 ,Moon)
HN02 :(Rashi-8 ,Ketu )
HN03 :(Rashi-9 )
HNO4 :(Rashi-10 ,Mars)
HNO5 :(Rashi-11 )
HNO6 :(Rashi-12 ,Venus)
HNO7 :(Rash-1 ,Sun,Mercury)
HNO8 :(Rashi-2 ,Rahu)
HNO9 :(Rashi-3 ,Shani)
HNO10:(Rashi-4,Jupiter)
HNO11:(Rashi-5)
HNO12:(Rashi-6)

As per Vedic Astrology:
Ma,Ju,Su is exalted and all the other planets
is also in good position but as per Lal kitab
Ma,Ju,Su is debliated and remaining planets
are also not in good position(when we consider
first house as first rashi).

I consulted Vedic and Lalkitab astrologer and their
point of view is just opposite to each other.

Now my question is How the two system claim to be accurate
when the prediction is totally different.

My Suggestion:

When we make Birth chart according to Lal kitab we consider first
House as first rashi and predict afterward instead of that
If we move the rashi number 1 planets to house number 1 and
move all the planets according to that then I guess we can
overcome the contradiction I know this is not the rule but
atleast I am going to try this to see how the prediction is
comming.

Plz. post your suggestion it is urgent.

Regards
Ashok


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Re: [astrostudents] Contradiction to Vedic astrology

Ashok ji, yes there are contradictions. What texts like chamatkar
chintamani say about mercury 11 is totally poles apart from what
lalkitab says about mercury 11. Regards. Kulbir.

On 3/25/09, y2k_aksingh <y2k_aksingh@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Members,
> I have seen the condition where Lal kitab totally contradict with Vedic
> astrology.
> Here is the birth chart:
>
> HNO1 :(Rashi-7 ,Moon)
> HN02 :(Rashi-8 ,Ketu )
> HN03 :(Rashi-9 )
> HNO4 :(Rashi-10 ,Mars)
> HNO5 :(Rashi-11 )
> HNO6 :(Rashi-12 ,Venus)
> HNO7 :(Rash-1 ,Sun,Mercury)
> HNO8 :(Rashi-2 ,Rahu)
> HNO9 :(Rashi-3 ,Shani)
> HNO10:(Rashi-4,Jupiter)
> HNO11:(Rashi-5)
> HNO12:(Rashi-6)
>
> As per Vedic Astrology:
> Ma,Ju,Su is exalted and all the other planets
> is also in good position but as per Lal kitab
> Ma,Ju,Su is debliated and remaining planets
> are also not in good position(when we consider
> first house as first rashi).
>
> I consulted Vedic and Lalkitab astrologer and their
> point of view is just opposite to each other.
>
> Now my question is How the two system claim to be accurate
> when the prediction is totally different.
>
>
> My Suggestion:
>
> When we make Birth chart according to Lal kitab we consider first
> House as first rashi and predict afterward instead of that
> If we move the rashi number 1 planets to house number 1 and
> move all the planets according to that then I guess we can
> overcome the contradiction I know this is not the rule but
> atleast I am going to try this to see how the prediction is
> comming.
>
> Plz. post your suggestion it is urgent.
>
> Regards
> Ashok
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[astrostudents] Contradiction to Vedic astrology

Dear Members,
I have seen the condition where Lal kitab totally contradict with Vedic
astrology.
Here is the birth chart:

HNO1 :(Rashi-7 ,Moon)
HN02 :(Rashi-8 ,Ketu )
HN03 :(Rashi-9 )
HNO4 :(Rashi-10 ,Mars)
HNO5 :(Rashi-11 )
HNO6 :(Rashi-12 ,Venus)
HNO7 :(Rash-1 ,Sun,Mercury)
HNO8 :(Rashi-2 ,Rahu)
HNO9 :(Rashi-3 ,Shani)
HNO10:(Rashi-4,Jupiter)
HNO11:(Rashi-5)
HNO12:(Rashi-6)

As per Vedic Astrology:
Ma,Ju,Su is exalted and all the other planets
is also in good position but as per Lal kitab
Ma,Ju,Su is debliated and remaining planets
are also not in good position(when we consider
first house as first rashi).

I consulted Vedic and Lalkitab astrologer and their
point of view is just opposite to each other.

Now my question is How the two system claim to be accurate
when the prediction is totally different.

My Suggestion:

When we make Birth chart according to Lal kitab we consider first
House as first rashi and predict afterward instead of that
If we move the rashi number 1 planets to house number 1 and
move all the planets according to that then I guess we can
overcome the contradiction I know this is not the rule but
atleast I am going to try this to see how the prediction is
comming.

Plz. post your suggestion it is urgent.

Regards
Ashok

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Saturday, March 21, 2009

Re: [astrostudents] Question

Dear Tahmasp,

There is a special mention of saturn Jupiter relationship in 'Bhrihaspati" chapter. This matter has also been discussed in group. You can search archives for further details

Best Regards

Vinay
On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 12:10 AM, shahtahmasp <shahtahmasp@yahoo.com> wrote:

I have a question about "Dharmi Teva" there quite a few
combinations which can occur to make it so but I never
read about Shani, Guru 1st, 7th aspect meaning Guru in 1st
house and Saneechar in 7th. I think Shani is uncha as it is
in 7th would any of the alamat mentioned in other places in LK
be applicable as well like sadhu,tapaswi etc ?
Shukriya
Tahmasp


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Wednesday, March 18, 2009

Re: [astrostudents] Re: Planet strength

Thanks Nirmal Ji,
It really mean lot to me.
 
Pandit Ji has described Planet as lamp and it spread their light through aspect
and the planet being aspected get the property of the aspecting planet.
The table can visualize in that way also.
 
Best of regards
Ashok

--- On Tue, 3/17/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [astrostudents] Re: Planet strength
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 11:16 AM

Dear Ashok Ji,
Have my Compliments. You are going in the right way. A popular Phrase in Punjabi " Jinni Madhani Ghumavenga, ohna hee makhan jyada nikloo". It is manthan of this science. As much you go deeper you may find precious stones/treasures in it. 
This is very important table. You always keep this table as well as the table given on Page 12 of uploaded hindi 1952 Vol-1 book(Page 35 of original Lalkitab 1952 edition handy while reading the predictive part.
I wish you must bring the facts to fore for other where your finding your thinking come true.
You will find these table applicable in every timing of event where mentioned by Pt.Ji. in the book.
I have little bit difference of opinion about Mars. If Mars(nek) is present then Mars (bad) will become ineffective and It is difficult to judge the presense of both Mangals in kundli without the knowledge of Palmistry. This is,my opinion.
Regards
Nirmal 
.

On 3/17/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Nirmal JI,
Thanks for reply.
I would like to share what I concluded from this table, but I need your advice:
 
1. Suppose JUPITER is aspecting SUN it will increase the strength of SUN twice.
2. Suppose JUPITER is aspecting MOON then the property of JUPITER in MOON by 2 UNIT and property of MOON itself is 1 UNIT.(means moon itself is more like jupiter)
3. If RAHU aspect JUPITER then JUPITER will act like RAHU because it aspect 0/1
to JUPITER.
4. About MARS(+ve) and MARS(-ve) if MARS is MARS -ve the it contain the property of
MARS(-ve) by 1UNIT and 3UNIT of MARS itself.
 
 
I went through 1952 Vol-2 where all the combination are given and in most of the cases
the above conditions satisfied.
It is just my understanding.
 
But I still didn't be able to find what happen if there are 3 or more planets are conjoined.
 
Best of regards
Ashok

--- On Mon, 3/16/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail. com> wrote:
From: Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail. com>
Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Planet strength
To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 12:22 PM

Dear Ashok Ji,
I have been doing research on this table. As far as my opinion is concerned, this is a very important and most ignored table of LalKitab. It is related  not only to the strength but also effect on the timing of an event.The table in the uploaded book seems to have errors in it. I have uploaded the Hindi Transliteration of the table in files section. The table is itself is clear and self explanatory.
There is another table in lalkitab1952 regarding the age of planet in combination with another planet. Please read that table co-relating this table.
Regarding Mangal Nek & Mangal Bud, Both can coexist in the Kundli. and it is possible that the aspect each other. For this you have to refer LalKitab 1939 Edition as well as the example kundlis in LalKitab1952 Edition.
Regards
Nirmal


--- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ ...> wrote:
>
> Dear Nirmal Ji,
>  
> Here below is the link:
> http://www.esnips. com/doc/b72c54b6 -6f5f-48f3- 9c13-943aa98413a e/LalKitab1952Hi ndiVolume1. pdf

>  
> See page:38.
>  
> This book is uploaded by you.
>  
> Best of regards
> Ashok
>
> --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj nirbhar@... wrote:
>
> From: Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj nirbhar@...
> Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Planet strength
> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 11:22 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Ashok Ji,
> Incidentally, I dont have the book referred by you.Just give littlemore detail about the table so that I can refer accordingly in original book.
> Regards
> Nirmal
> --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, "y2k_aksingh" <y2k_aksingh@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Refering to Lal Kitab by Pt. Goswami 1952 (English version)
> > Page:131, CHART-II
> >
> >
> > Dear Sir,
> >
> > In the above chart I have some questions:
> > 1. If one planet aspect the other planet give the units of strength.
> > i.e. if JUPITER aspect SUN it make double the strength of SUN
> >
> > 2. Does when JUPITER aspect MOON does it reduce the strength of MOON to half(1/2)?
> >
> > 3. How come Mars can aspect Mars(-ve) what I understand is Mars negative is a state of Mars i.e. if SUN and SATURN together it makes MARS negative means the planet MARS itself become MARS negative.
> > or the combination of SUN and SATURN is called Mars negative?
> >
> > 4. I saw two planets combined i.e SUN-Jupiter it is saying SUN is UNIT
> > and JUPITER is 2 UNIT. Does this rule apply for more than 2 planets conjoined also?
> >
> > Best of Regards
> > Ashok
> >
>



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Tuesday, March 17, 2009

[astrostudents] Question

I have a question about "Dharmi Teva" there quite a few
combinations which can occur to make it so but I never
read about Shani, Guru 1st, 7th aspect meaning Guru in 1st
house and Saneechar in 7th. I think Shani is uncha as it is
in 7th would any of the alamat mentioned in other places in LK
be applicable as well like sadhu,tapaswi etc ?
Shukriya
Tahmasp

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Re: [astrostudents] Re: Planet strength

Dear Ashok Ji,

Have my Compliments. You are going in the right way. A popular Phrase in Punjabi " Jinni Madhani Ghumavenga, ohna hee makhan jyada nikloo". It is manthan of this science. As much you go deeper you may find precious stones/treasures in it. 

This is very important table. You always keep this table as well as the table given on Page 12 of uploaded hindi 1952 Vol-1 book(Page 35 of original Lalkitab 1952 edition handy while reading the predictive part.

I wish you must bring the facts to fore for other where your finding your thinking come true.

You will find these table applicable in every timing of event where mentioned by Pt.Ji. in the book.

I have little bit difference of opinion about Mars. If Mars(nek) is present then Mars (bad) will become ineffective and It is difficult to judge the presense of both Mangals in kundli without the knowledge of Palmistry. This is,my opinion.

Regards

Nirmal 

.


On 3/17/09, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Nirmal JI,
Thanks for reply.
I would like to share what I concluded from this table, but I need your advice:
 
1. Suppose JUPITER is aspecting SUN it will increase the strength of SUN twice.
2. Suppose JUPITER is aspecting MOON then the property of JUPITER in MOON by 2 UNIT and property of MOON itself is 1 UNIT.(means moon itself is more like jupiter)
3. If RAHU aspect JUPITER then JUPITER will act like RAHU because it aspect 0/1
to JUPITER.
4. About MARS(+ve) and MARS(-ve) if MARS is MARS -ve the it contain the property of
MARS(-ve) by 1UNIT and 3UNIT of MARS itself.
 
 
I went through 1952 Vol-2 where all the combination are given and in most of the cases
the above conditions satisfied.
It is just my understanding.
 
But I still didn't be able to find what happen if there are 3 or more planets are conjoined.
 
Best of regards
Ashok

--- On Mon, 3/16/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj <nirbhar@gmail.com>
Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Planet strength
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 12:22 PM

Dear Ashok Ji,
I have been doing research on this table. As far as my opinion is concerned, this is a very important and most ignored table of LalKitab. It is related  not only to the strength but also effect on the timing of an event.The table in the uploaded book seems to have errors in it. I have uploaded the Hindi Transliteration of the table in files section. The table is itself is clear and self explanatory.
There is another table in lalkitab1952 regarding the age of planet in combination with another planet. Please read that table co-relating this table.
Regarding Mangal Nek & Mangal Bud, Both can coexist in the Kundli. and it is possible that the aspect each other. For this you have to refer LalKitab 1939 Edition as well as the example kundlis in LalKitab1952 Edition.
Regards
Nirmal


--- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, Ashok singh <y2k_aksingh@ ...> wrote:
>
> Dear Nirmal Ji,
>  
> Here below is the link:
> http://www.esnips. com/doc/b72c54b6 -6f5f-48f3- 9c13-943aa98413a e/LalKitab1952Hi ndiVolume1. pdf

>  
> See page:38.
>  
> This book is uploaded by you.
>  
> Best of regards
> Ashok
>
> --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj nirbhar@... wrote:
>
> From: Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj nirbhar@...
> Subject: [astrostudents] Re: Planet strength
> To: astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 11:22 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear Ashok Ji,
> Incidentally, I dont have the book referred by you.Just give littlemore detail about the table so that I can refer accordingly in original book.
> Regards
> Nirmal
> --- In astrostudents@ yahoogroups. com, "y2k_aksingh" <y2k_aksingh@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Refering to Lal Kitab by Pt. Goswami 1952 (English version)
> > Page:131, CHART-II
> >
> >
> > Dear Sir,
> >
> > In the above chart I have some questions:
> > 1. If one planet aspect the other planet give the units of strength.
> > i.e. if JUPITER aspect SUN it make double the strength of SUN
> >
> > 2. Does when JUPITER aspect MOON does it reduce the strength of MOON to half(1/2)?
> >
> > 3. How come Mars can aspect Mars(-ve) what I understand is Mars negative is a state of Mars i.e. if SUN and SATURN together it makes MARS negative means the planet MARS itself become MARS negative.
> > or the combination of SUN and SATURN is called Mars negative?
> >
> > 4. I saw two planets combined i.e SUN-Jupiter it is saying SUN is UNIT
> > and JUPITER is 2 UNIT. Does this rule apply for more than 2 planets conjoined also?
> >
> > Best of Regards
> > Ashok
> >
>


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