Well said and totally agreed sir. Lets carry on with the learning. Regards Jitin Syal --- On Wed, 2/2/11, vijay.goel <goyalvj@gmail.com> wrote:
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Thursday, February 03, 2011
Re: [astrostudents] Re: Lalkitab
Wednesday, February 02, 2011
Re: [astrostudents] Lalkitab
Sir, Please translate following paragraph in English, If possible Thanks "Make light around you," said the fire. --- On Wed, 2/2/11, Jesal Sagar <jesalsagar@yahoo.com> wrote:
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[astrostudents] Re: Lalkitab
Repected Jitin ji, Jesal Sagar ji & members,
Hare Rama Krsna,
Since now we are having original transliterated books we have very good opportunity to discuss the basic theme of Lal-Kitab.
Still knowing the Urdu will be always the added advantage.
In this century where Dharma has fallen to large extent, LK, complete whole system in itself, cannot be written without the help of 'Gaibi Takat'. The similarities with traditional concept indicate that it is ancient but could be a offshoot, practiced independently by some sect, lost with time and re-produced by some 'Gaibi Takak' through Pandit ji as he was the spiritual person himself.
Similarly, although Sri Krishnamurty, worshipper of Sri Ganesha, devised the new stellar system now know as KP system (complete in itself). But it cannot be said that it is written with the help of 'Gaibi Takat'.
This is the noted difference between two, as these two new system majorly came into lime light in this 1900-2000 century.
Those who are playing with LK will incur more bad Karma due to divine intervention than with KP.
This is my personal view.
Thankyou,
Regards,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur.
Vedic astrologer & Vaastu Consultant.
--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, JITIN SYAL <jitinsyal82@...> wrote:
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> Dear Jesal ji, thanks so much for sharing this with us, unfortunately some of the "professional" lal kitab astrologers as well(some in our own group too) don't know the truth behind lal kitab origin hence come up with some absurd yet funny claims!
>
> I hope people will start realising that LK is just not another astrology book but something special, written/created in a even special way.
>
> Thanks once again
>
> Jitin Syal
>
> --- On Wed, 2/2/11, Jesal Sagar jesalsagar@... wrote:
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>
> From: Jesal Sagar jesalsagar@...
> Subject: [astrostudents] Lalkitab
> To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 2 February, 2011, 17:12
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>
>
>
>
>
> These words are written by D.S.Thakurji ..
> Who have personally met panditji ..
>
> Just wanted to share this wid the group members ..
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> 'हाथ रेखा को समà¥à¤¦à¥à¤° गिनते, नजूमे फलक का काम हà¥à¤†,
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> इलà¥à¤® कà¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤«à¤¾ जà¥à¤¯à¥‹à¤¤à¤¿à¤· मिलते, लाल किताब का नाम हà¥à¤† ।''
>
> लाल किताब के इस शेयर पर गौर किया जाये तो पता चलता है कि इलà¥à¤®, कà¥à¤¯à¤¾à¤«à¤¾ à¤"र जà¥à¤¯à¥‹à¤¤à¤¿à¤· के संगम को लाल किताब कहा गया है। इस किताब के पांच हिसà¥à¤¸à¥‡ सनॠ1939 à¤"र 1952 के दरमियान उरà¥à¤¦à¥‚ ज़à¥à¤¬à¤¾à¤¨ में छपे। सनॠ1952 वाले आखिरी हिसà¥à¤¸à¥‡ को मà¥à¤•à¤®à¥à¤®à¤² लाल किताब कहा जा सकता है। हालांकि किताब पर लेखक का नाम नही है मगर इसमें कोई शक नही कि लाल किताब की रचना आलिम पंडित रूप चनà¥à¤¦ जोशी जी ने की थी।
>
> पंडित जी फौज से असिसà¥à¤Ÿà¥ˆà¤‚ट अकाउंट अफसर रिटायरà¥à¤¡ होने के बाद अपने गांव फरवाला, तहसील नूरमहल, ज़िला जालनà¥à¤§à¤°, पंजाब में रहते थे। मà¥à¤à¥‡ उनसे मेरे ताया जी करà¥à¤¨à¤² पी.पी.à¤à¤¸. ठाकà¥à¤° ने मिलवाया था। पहली बार उनसे मैं 1975 में मिला। फिर मà¥à¤²à¤¾à¤•à¤¾à¤¤à¥‹à¤‚ का सिलसिला कà¥à¤› साल जारी रहा। ताया जी की वजह पंडित जी मà¥à¤à¤ªà¤° मेहरबान रहे। उनसे कई मà¥à¤²à¤¾à¤•à¤¾à¤¤à¥‡à¤‚ हà¥à¤ˆ à¤"र बेशà¥à¤®à¤¾à¤° बातें हà¥à¤ˆà¥¤ लाल किताब à¤à¥€ मà¥à¤à¤•à¥‹ पंडित जी
> ने ही दी थी। जिसे मैं उनका आरà¥à¤¶à¥€à¤µà¤¾à¤¦ समà¤à¤¤à¤¾ हूं। किताब को पà¥à¤¨à¥‡ समà¤à¤¨à¥‡ के लिठमà¥à¤à¥‡ बकायदा उरà¥à¤¦à¥‚ सीखना पड़ा। लाल किताब कà¥à¤¯à¤¾ है ...गागर में सागर है ।
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> पंडित जी के बारे में ताया जी ने मà¥à¤à¥‡ कई बातें बताई। उनसे कई मà¥à¤²à¤¾à¤•à¤¾à¤¤à¥‹à¤‚ से à¤à¥€ काफी जानकारी मिली। उनका कà¥à¤£à¥à¤¡à¤²à¥€ देखने का तरीका à¤à¥€ अलग था। पंडित जी लाल कलम से जो लिख देते थे वह अकà¥à¤¸à¤° पूरा हो जाता था। इस इलà¥à¤® को शायद ही कोई à¤"र समà¤à¤¾ हो। दरअसल पंडित जी à¤à¤• गैर मामूली इनà¥à¤¸à¤¾à¤¨ थे। लाल किताब à¤à¥€ गैबी ताकत से उरà¥à¤¦à¥‚ ज़à¥à¤¬à¤¾à¤¨ में लिखी गई थी। मेरे पूछने पर पंडित जी ने खà¥à¤¦ बताया था, ''पता नही कौन
> मà¥à¤à¥‡ लिखाता रहा।'' शायद यही वजह रही कि किताब पर लेखक का नाम नही है।
>
> वकà¥à¤¤ के साथ-साथ लाल किताब इतनी मकबूल हà¥à¤ˆ कि आज बाज़ार में नकल या नकली किताबों की बाॠसी आ गई है à¤"र असली लाल किताब उरà¥à¤¦à¥‚ वाली कहीं नज़र नही आती। नकली किताब पà¥à¤•à¤° कई सजà¥à¤œà¤¨ खà¥à¤¦ को लाल किताब का माहिर कहने लगे हैं। हालांकि उनको यह à¤à¥€ नही पता कि इसे लाल किताब कà¥à¤¯à¥‹à¤‚ कहा गया। उरà¥à¤¦à¥‚ आता नही, असली किताब देखी नही à¤"र माहिर बन बैठे। बस नकली का बोलबाला है। अफसोस की बात यह है कि लाल किताब के नाम
> पर लूट शà¥à¤°à¥‚ हो गई है। लोग à¤à¥€ वनसà¥à¤ªà¤¤à¤¿ घी को असली घी समठरहे हैं।
>
> लाल किताब के मà¥à¤¤à¤¾à¤¬à¤¿à¤• हर गà¥à¤°à¤¹ के दो पहलू हैं, नेक à¤"र बद। यानि नेक हालत à¤"र मनà¥à¤¦à¥€ हालत। लिहाज़ा असली किताब नेक à¤"र नकली किताब बद है। अब नकली किताब के नतीजे मनà¥à¤¦à¥‡ न होंगे तो à¤"र कà¥à¤¯à¤¾ होंगे ? वैसे à¤à¥€ जो किताब जिस ज़à¥à¤¬à¤¾à¤¨ में लिखी गई हो, उसको उसी ज़à¥à¤¬à¤¾à¤¨ में पà¥à¤¨à¤¾ बेहतर होता है। नकली किताब में जान पà¥à¤°à¤¾à¤£ नही होते। वह मà¥à¤°à¥à¤¦à¤¾ ही होती है। इसलिठअगर हो सके तो असली किताब को ही पà¥à¤¾ समà¤à¤¾ जाये। इसी
> से कà¥à¤¶à¤² मंगल होगा।
>
> Written by my mentor .. D.S.Thakurji ..
>
>
> Regards
> Jesal Sagar.
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Re: [astrostudents] Lalkitab
Dear Jesal ji, thanks so much for sharing this with us, unfortunately some of the "professional" lal kitab astrologers as well(some in our own group too) don't know the truth behind lal kitab origin hence come up with some absurd yet funny claims! I hope people will start realising that LK is just not another astrology book but something special, written/created in a even special way. Thanks once again Jitin Syal --- On Wed, 2/2/11, Jesal Sagar <jesalsagar@yahoo.com> wrote:
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[astrostudents] Lalkitab
These words are written by D.S.Thakurji ..
Who have personally met panditji ..
Just wanted to share this wid the group members ..
'हाथ रेखा को समुद्र गिनते, नजूमे फलक का काम हुआ,
इल्म क्याफा ज्योतिष मिलते, लाल किताब का नाम हुआ ।''
लाल किताब के इस शेयर पर गौर किया जाये तो पता चलता है कि इल्म, क्याफा और ज्योतिष के संगम को लाल किताब कहा गया है। इस किताब के पांच हिस्से सन् 1939 और 1952 के दरमियान उर्दू ज़ुबान में छपे। सन् 1952 वाले आखिरी हिस्से को मुकम्मल लाल किताब कहा जा सकता है। हालांकि किताब पर लेखक का नाम नही है मगर इसमें कोई शक नही कि लाल किताब की रचना आलिम पंडित रूप चन्द जोशी जी ने की थी।
पंडित जी फौज से असिस्टैंट अकाउंट अफसर रिटायर्ड होने के बाद अपने गांव फरवाला, तहसील नूरमहल, ज़िला जालन्धर, पंजाब में रहते थे। मुझे उनसे मेरे ताया जी कर्नल पी.पी.एस. ठाकुर ने मिलवाया था। पहली बार उनसे मैं 1975 में मिला। फिर मुलाकातों का सिलसिला कुछ साल जारी रहा। ताया जी की वजह पंडित जी मुझपर मेहरबान रहे। उनसे कई मुलाकातें हुई और बेशुमार बातें हुई। लाल किताब भी मुझको पंडित जी ने ही दी थी। जिसे मैं उनका आर्शीवाद समझता हूं। किताब को पढ़ने समझने के लिए मुझे बकायदा उर्दू सीखना पड़ा। लाल किताब क्या है ...गागर में सागर है ।
पंडित जी के बारे में ताया जी ने मुझे कई बातें बताई। उनसे कई मुलाकातों से भी काफी जानकारी मिली। उनका कुण्डली देखने का तरीका भी अलग था। पंडित जी लाल कलम से जो लिख देते थे वह अक्सर पूरा हो जाता था। इस इल्म को शायद ही कोई ओर समझा हो। दरअसल पंडित जी एक गैर मामूली इन्सान थे। लाल किताब भी गैबी ताकत से उर्दू ज़ुबान में लिखी गई थी। मेरे पूछने पर पंडित जी ने खुद बताया था, ''पता नही कौन मुझे लिखाता रहा।'' शायद यही वजह रही कि किताब पर लेखक का नाम नही है।
वक्त के साथ-साथ लाल किताब इतनी मकबूल हुई कि आज बाज़ार में नकल या नकली किताबों की बाढ़ सी आ गई है और असली लाल किताब उर्दू वाली कहीं नज़र नही आती। नकली किताब पढ़कर कई सज्जन खुद को लाल किताब का माहिर कहने लगे हैं। हालांकि उनको यह भी नही पता कि इसे लाल किताब क्यों कहा गया। उर्दू आता नही, असली किताब देखी नही और माहिर बन बैठे। बस नकली का बोलबाला है। अफसोस की बात यह है कि लाल किताब के नाम पर लूट शुरू हो गई है। लोग भी वनस्पति घी को असली घी समझ रहे हैं।
लाल किताब के मुताबिक हर ग्रह के दो पहलू हैं, नेक और बद। यानि नेक हालत और मन्दी हालत। लिहाज़ा असली किताब नेक और नकली किताब बद है। अब नकली किताब के नतीजे मन्दे न होंगे तो और क्या होंगे ? वैसे भी जो किताब जिस ज़ुबान में लिखी गई हो, उसको उसी ज़ुबान में पढ़ना बेहतर होता है। नकली किताब में जान प्राण नही होते। वह मुर्दा ही होती है। इसलिए अगर हो सके तो असली किताब को ही पढ़ा समझा जाये। इसी से कुशल मंगल होगा।
Written by my mentor .. D.S.Thakurji ..
Regards
Jesal Sagar.
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Tuesday, February 01, 2011
Re: [astrostudents] LAL KITAB KE UPAY KHUD BANANA
Jagmohan jee,
This is what I have been saying for the last so many years about the particular group mentioned by you. There is never ever a "durusti"/verification done to any horoscope. Durusti is the most essential and most fundamental requirement of the Lal Kitab system. As we all know that every planet in every house is capable of giving malefic as well as benefic results, the moral responsibility falls on the astrologer to first determine this most significant part. Otherwise, one is just blindly prescribing from a list of remedies - anyone without any intelligence can do that; actually a relatively simple computer program can do that eliminating the need for any human intervention.
As very astutely observed by you, the position/aspect of Moon is very vital in this particular case. A well positioned Moon can completely eliminate the effects of a potentially bad Mars (plus there are many other factors that nullify a malefic Mars.) In this particular case, before even thinking about the remedial part, incidents connected with malefic Mars should have been investigated first. If Mars is not malefic, then by performing an unnecessary Mars related remedy would be akin to waking up a ferocious sleeping dog so that it can bite when woken up.
It is interesting to note what "Varun" says "From your message I assume that it has been verified that these three planets are acting malefic..." Now, how many times have you seen him do that while dispensing remedies every day in the "advice" column? I haven't checked lately but in the past, there has never been even a single case of "durusti" or verification in that particular forum. There is no technique, however mathematically sophisticated, to decide remedies in a vacuum without the input from the native whose horoscope is being examined.
Another point, very essential in this context, is that even if two people have the same combination (Mars+Mercury+Rahu) in the ninth (or any house for that matter), one person may need a remedial measure, the other person may not need it at all. It all depends on the circumstances (in other words, verification.) No amount of calculations or grahspashti, however sophisticated, can substitute for "durusti." Anyone proceeding without the need for Durusti is simply throwing darts in the dark - some may hit the target, others may hurt someone.
Thanks for cautioning (and educating) the members of AstroStudents against such tendencies where one starts prescribing remedies without first seeing a genuine need for them. I hope that our members, especially the ones who are new to LalKitab, learn a useful lesson from your Email.
Best regards.
Respectfully,
Rajinder Bhatia
From: jagmohan <mts3434@yahoo.co.in>
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 5:14:23 AM
Subject: [astrostudents] LAL KITAB KE UPAY KHUD BANANA
To: astrostudents@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, February 1, 2011 5:14:23 AM
Subject: [astrostudents] LAL KITAB KE UPAY KHUD BANANA
Members,
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Respected Anand ji,
From your message I assume that it has been verified that these three planets are acting malefic and thus destroying his Bhagya altogether and may be affecting the father also.
First let us understand how the logic for devising upaya in the Lal Kitab is built up.
Here in the 9th house, Mars with mercury becomes ashubh , or mangal-bud as it is called in the LK. Therefore we have to first contain it and then remove it from the 9th house , or you might call it that we have to distance it. The only thing that can contain an ashubh mangal is Lord Hanuman and the Sun.
Therefore the first Upaya to be done is:
{ a } Prepare 9 sweet thick rotis ( known as Hanuman roti )in a tandoor , and not on an iron tawa, and feed them to the monkeys.
Why 9 rotis ?
Because the arishtha arises in the 9th house.
Why feed the rotis to the monkeys?
Because the monkeys represent both the `sewaks ` of lord Hanuman and also the Sun.
Why not on an iron `tawa'?
Because of two reasons: firstly the iron `tawa' is a karak of shani who considers mangal as its enemy and that's why Hanuman ji ki roti is never baked on the iron `tawa'.
Secondly because the rotis are to be fed to the monkeys { sun }. Shani and the Sun are mutual enemies.
{ b } After the mangal-ashubh has been contained the next step will be to distance it. Therefore the second upaya will have to be:
Throw into running water 900gms of Rewari on any day during the day light hours.
{ c } Now the next upaya will have to be done for Rahu.
Mangal is considered as a mahawat of the elephant { rahu }. Once the mahawat becomes ashubh the elephant goes berserk, it is further aggravated by the heat of the Sun, thus a possibility of Rahu going belligerent.
Therefore the first thing that we have to do is to calm the Rahu. The only thing that calms Rahu is the Moon. Water is such a relief to any elephant.
Therefore upaya will be : Take 900gms of Jau { barley } and wash it with milk { moon}. After the rahu has been calmed , the next step will be to distance it. Therefore immerse, in a river, this Jau which has already been rinsed with milk; preferably on a Thursday evening after sun set and before it gets dark.
{ d } And finally an upaya will have to be done for Mercury placed in the 9th house.
The Jatak should keep with him an iron goli [ball bearing] painted dull red [mangal shubh] and offer at any temple 9 mushrooms kept in an earthen pot. If he can get his nose pierced, just for 5 days, that would be the best upaya.
Regards,
Varun Trivedi
--- In lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "anand_jotish" <anand_jotish@...> wrote:
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> Sirs, when these three planets are together the Lal Kitab doesn't say any thing.No upaya is given. I feel that in this situation upaya of all the three planets should be done. Sirs how should the upaya be worked out. Suppose these planets are in the 9th house then what should be done. Thanks in advance.
> Anand
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Respected Varun Jee,
Mein shuru se hee iss tarah ke manghdhant upay karne ka virodhi rahan hoon, aise to jis ghar mein bhee mangal badh hoga ,aap ginti kee uss khana no kee roti meethi tandoor kee lagwa denge ?kya aise nahi ho sakta ki yahan (jahan) chander hoga wahan mangal badh na hoga.............kya chander kee sahayta nahi lee ja sakti..........?
abb pata kaise chale ki mangal khana no 9 ka badh hai ?
agar mangal budh mil rahen hain to kya yeh zaroori hai ki mangal badh hee hoga ?
fir teva darusati ki zaroorat hee kya hai ?
AGAR MANGAL KHANA NO 9 KA BADH HOGA TO WOH INSAAN JISKA MANGAL KHANA NO 9 MEIN HOGA DHARAM VIRODHI HOGA......detail ke liye aap 1942...page 178 dekhe .aapne rewari to likh dee lekin rewari kaun c chahiye yeh nahi likha....rewari 2 tarah kee hoti hai (cheeni kee vah gurh kee).........
IRON GOLI ..................Kyonki yeh group sirf lal kitab par hai issliye iss group mein besir pair kee baaton ko aap agar ahmiyat na de to behtar hoga...(mafi chahta hoon ) agar koi aapse (group) poochhta hai to jawab milta hai ki sirf discussion hogi upay nahi bataya jayega ( kya mein galat hoon? ) kya iron goli se pehle budh ka swabhav nahi dekha jayega kyonki pujya Pt. jee ne budh 3..9 ke liye yehi likha hai ki upay se pehle budh ka swabhav avash dekhe.lk1942 page..187, yeh bhee to ho sakta hai ki iron kee bajay sheeshe (glass) kee golo chahiye (kancha)......
Aise hee aapne jo upay bataye hain mein sab ko galat sabit kar sakta hoon...........
aap bhee yeh baat achhi tarah se jante hain lekin fir bhee manghadant upay bata rahe hai bina teva darusti ke,jo ki iss group ke liye uchit nahi hai, mujh ko jo achha laga meine likh diya , aapko bura lage to mafi chahta hoon.
ek baar fir se sab members se aur varun jee aapse mafi mangta hoon ki meine apni baaton se aap sab ka dil dukhaya.....
dhanyawad sahit.
Jagmohana Mahajan
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[astrostudents] Re: Pakka Ghar no. 7, Lal Kitab 42, pg 23-24.
Dear Ashish,
"janūbī-magariba" means south west, it is wrongly translated by
me as south east.
Thankyou
Regards,
Vijay Goel
Jaipur
--- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "aashish" <raiaashish@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Goel ji,
> //Direction is south-east, cow, women, reputation, foreigner.//
>
> If the direction for 7th house is south-east then why in Makan Kundali
7 is kind of south-west?
>
> Regards,
> Aashish
>
> --- In astrostudents@yahoogroups.com, "vijay.goel" goyalvj@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Members,
> >
> >
> > As on continuation of the series , I am posting in Pakka Ghar 7 from
> > Lal-kitab-1942 edition page 23-24 .
> >
> >
> >
> > घर à¥à¤µà¤¾à¤‚ है पकà¥à¤•à¤¾
> > शà¥à¤•à¥à¤•à¤° का, घूमता
> > बà¥à¤§ ऊपर का है.
> >
> > Ghara 7vÄá¹ hai pakkÄ Å›ukkara kÄ,
> > ghÅ«matÄ budha Å«para kÄ hai.
> >
> > दोनो इकà¥à¤•à¤ े चकà¥à¤•à¥€
> > चलती, निचला शà¥à¤•à¥à¤•à¤°
> > माना है.
> >
> > DÅnÅ ikkaá¹h�" cakkÄ« calatÄ«, nicalÄ
> > Å›ukkara mÄnÄ hai.
> >
> >
> >
> > 7th H is Pakka House of Venus, and metamorphic-ally, Mercury is
rotating
> > upper part of grindstone.
> >
> > lower part of grinding stone is Venus which is basically fix, both
> > together runs the hand grind-mill.
> >
> >
> >
> > बà¥à¤§ à¥à¤µà¥‡à¤‚ का चकà¥à¤•
> > घà¥à¤®à¤¾à¤°à¤¾à¤‚, मिटटी
> > शà¥à¤•à¥à¤•à¤° होती है.
> >
> > Budha 7v�"á¹ kÄ cakka ghumÄrÄá¹,
> > miá¹aá¹Ä« Å›ukkara hÅtÄ« hai.
> >
> > दोनों घà¥à¤®à¤¾à¤µà¥‡à¤‚
कीली
> > लोहे की, घर ८वे जो
> > होती है.
> >
> > DÅnÅá¹ ghumÄv�"á¹ kÄ«lÄ«
> > lÅh�" kÄ«, ghara 8v�" jÅ hÅtÄ« hai.
> >
> >
> >
> > The rotation is Mercury and the mud is Venus.
> >
> > Both are moved by the iron nail fix at center of grindstone which is
> > represented by 8th house.
> >
> >
> >
> > शà¥à¤•à¥à¤•à¤°,बà¥à¤§ जब दो
हो
> > इकà¥à¤•à¤ े, शनि à¤à¥€
उमà¥à¤¦à¤¾
> > होता है.
> >
> > Åšukkara,budha jaba dÅ hÅ ikkaá¹h�",
śani
> > bhÄ« umdÄ hÅtÄ hai.
> >
> > अनà¥à¤¨ दौलत की कमी न
> > कोई, घी मिटटी से
> > निकलता है.
> >
> > Anna daulata kÄ« kamÄ« na kÅ'Ä«, ghÄ«
> > miá¹aá¹Ä« s�" nikalatÄ hai.
> >
> >
> >
> > Venus & Mercury when are together, Saturn will be benefic.
> >
> > There will be no shortage of food & money , as 'ghee' (clarified
> > butter) will come out from mud.
> >
> >
> >
> > तरफ जनूबी-मगरिब,
गाय,
> > �"रत, शान, बैरूनी है.
> >
> > Tarapha janÅ«bÄ«-magariba, gÄya, aurata, Å›Äna,
> > bairūnī hai.
> >
> >
> >
> > Direction is south-east, cow, women, reputation, foreigner.
> >
> >
> >
> > अहवाल हथेली, जरà¥à¤°à¥‡
> > मिटटी के, तराजू,
> > शादी, उनà¥à¤¨à¤¤à¤¿ है.
> >
> > AhavÄla hath�"lÄ«, jarr�" miá¹aá¹Ä«
k�",
> > tarÄjÅ«, Å›ÄdÄ«, unnati hai.
> >
> >
> >
> > Reading or centre of palm, pieces of mud, two arm balance or scale
(Tula
> > rasi in 7H), marriage, betterment and upliftment.
> >
> >
> >
> > फल, सफेदी, तà¥à¤–à¥à¤®,
> > पलसà¥à¤Ÿà¤°, घर लड़कियो
> > के लेते है.
> >
> > Phala, saph�"dÄ«, tukhma, palasá¹ara, ghara
> > laṛakiyŠk�" l�"t�" hai.
> >
> >
> >
> > Fruits, painting of house, seed (for child), plaster, house of
females
> > or daughters.
> >
> >
> >
> > जैसे शà¥à¤•à¥à¤•à¤° हो
> > वैसे ही सब फल,
निचले
> > पतà¥à¤¥à¤° से लेते है.
> >
> > Jais�" śukkara hŠvais�" hī saba phala,
> > nical�" pat'thara s�" l�"t�" hai.
> >
> > बना फूल बà¥à¤§ तो हो
> > पिसà¥à¤¤à¤¾à¤¨ लड़की, जà¥à¤¬à¤¾à¤¨
> > नेक होवे, तो गोआई
> > शà¥à¤ की.
> >
> > BanÄ phÅ«la budha tÅ hÅ pistÄna
laṛakī,
> > jubÄna n�"ka hÅv�", tÅ gÅ'Ä'Ä«
> > śubha kī.
> >
> >
> >
> > The position of Venus will say the results and is taken from lower
part
> > of grindstone.
> >
> > If results is flower ie budh (female) than she will be very
efficient
> > and if her words are sweet than she will be an effluent orator.
> >
> >
> >
> > पैदाइश हो अंडे से,
> > कà¥à¤µà¥à¤µà¤¤ हो बाह की.
> >
> > PaidÄ'iÅ›a hÅ aṇá¸ï¿½" s�", kuvvata
hÅ
> > bÄha kÄ«.
> >
> >
> >
> > Animals\birds born from egg, power to produce.(power of hand).
> >
> >
> >
> > मà¥à¤¸à¤¾à¤®-व-अकà¥à¤² अपने,
> > दौलत सà¥à¤à¤¾ की.
> >
> > MusÄma-va-akla apan�", daulata subhÄ kÄ«.
> >
> >
> >
> > Hair pores in skin, intelligence, wealth of others.
> >
> >
> >
> > घर पहले से खाली
> > होते, ॠवा फ़ौरन
सोया.
> >
> > Ghara pahal�" s�" khÄlÄ« hÅt�", 7
vÄ
> > faurana sÅyÄ.
> >
> > दिन उसी ही सूरज
> > निकले, ८ जब दूजे
> > होया.
> >
> > Dina usī hī sūraja nikal�", 8 jaba dūj�"
> > hÅyÄ.
> >
> >
> >
> > If first house is empty than 7H is dormant.
> >
> > It will be active only from that day when 8th comes to 2nd.
> >
> >
> >
> > शà¥à¤•à¥à¤•à¤°, बà¥à¤§, उस
टेवे
> > जैसे , कही à¤à¥€ उसके
> > बैठे हो.
> >
> > Åšukkara, budha, usa á¹ï¿½"v�" jais�", kahÄ«
> > bhÄ« usak�" baiá¹h�" hÅ.
> >
> > फल वैसे ही घर à¥à¤µà¥‡
> > के, उस टेवे में
> > होते है.
> >
> > Phala vais�" hī ghara 7v�" k�", usa
á¹ï¿½"v�"
> > m�"á¹ hÅt�" hai.
> >
> >
> >
> > The position of venus and mercury in the horoscope will finally
modify
> > the results of 7H.
> >
> >
> >
> > -------
> >
> >
> >
> > It is requested kindly discuss on this topic to further clarify the
> > meanings of the text.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Vijay Goel
> >
> > Jaipur
> >
> > Astrologer & Vastu consultant.
> >
> > www.IndianAstroVedic.com
> >
>
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[astrostudents] LAL KITAB KE UPAY KHUD BANANA
Members,
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Jagmohan Mahajan....98726-46747
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Respected Anand ji,
From your message I assume that it has been verified that these three planets are acting malefic and thus destroying his Bhagya altogether and may be affecting the father also.
First let us understand how the logic for devising upaya in the Lal Kitab is built up.
Here in the 9th house, Mars with mercury becomes ashubh , or mangal-bud as it is called in the LK. Therefore we have to first contain it and then remove it from the 9th house , or you might call it that we have to distance it. The only thing that can contain an ashubh mangal is Lord Hanuman and the Sun.
Therefore the first Upaya to be done is:
{ a } Prepare 9 sweet thick rotis ( known as Hanuman roti )in a tandoor , and not on an iron tawa, and feed them to the monkeys.
Why 9 rotis ?
Because the arishtha arises in the 9th house.
Why feed the rotis to the monkeys?
Because the monkeys represent both the `sewaks ` of lord Hanuman and also the Sun.
Why not on an iron `tawa'?
Because of two reasons: firstly the iron `tawa' is a karak of shani who considers mangal as its enemy and that's why Hanuman ji ki roti is never baked on the iron `tawa'.
Secondly because the rotis are to be fed to the monkeys { sun }. Shani and the Sun are mutual enemies.
{ b } After the mangal-ashubh has been contained the next step will be to distance it. Therefore the second upaya will have to be:
Throw into running water 900gms of Rewari on any day during the day light hours.
{ c } Now the next upaya will have to be done for Rahu.
Mangal is considered as a mahawat of the elephant { rahu }. Once the mahawat becomes ashubh the elephant goes berserk, it is further aggravated by the heat of the Sun, thus a possibility of Rahu going belligerent.
Therefore the first thing that we have to do is to calm the Rahu. The only thing that calms Rahu is the Moon. Water is such a relief to any elephant.
Therefore upaya will be : Take 900gms of Jau { barley } and wash it with milk { moon}. After the rahu has been calmed , the next step will be to distance it. Therefore immerse, in a river, this Jau which has already been rinsed with milk; preferably on a Thursday evening after sun set and before it gets dark.
{ d } And finally an upaya will have to be done for Mercury placed in the 9th house.
The Jatak should keep with him an iron goli [ball bearing] painted dull red [mangal shubh] and offer at any temple 9 mushrooms kept in an earthen pot. If he can get his nose pierced, just for 5 days, that would be the best upaya.
Regards,
Varun Trivedi
--- In lalkitab_discussion@yahoogroups.com, "anand_jotish" <anand_jotish@...> wrote:
>
> Sirs, when these three planets are together the Lal Kitab doesn't say any thing.No upaya is given. I feel that in this situation upaya of all the three planets should be done. Sirs how should the upaya be worked out. Suppose these planets are in the 9th house then what should be done. Thanks in advance.
> Anand
>
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Respected Varun Jee,
Mein shuru se hee iss tarah ke manghdhant upay karne ka virodhi rahan hoon, aise to jis ghar mein bhee mangal badh hoga ,aap ginti kee uss khana no kee roti meethi tandoor kee lagwa denge ?kya aise nahi ho sakta ki yahan (jahan) chander hoga wahan mangal badh na hoga.............kya chander kee sahayta nahi lee ja sakti..........?
abb pata kaise chale ki mangal khana no 9 ka badh hai ?
agar mangal budh mil rahen hain to kya yeh zaroori hai ki mangal badh hee hoga ?
fir teva darusati ki zaroorat hee kya hai ?
AGAR MANGAL KHANA NO 9 KA BADH HOGA TO WOH INSAAN JISKA MANGAL KHANA NO 9 MEIN HOGA DHARAM VIRODHI HOGA......detail ke liye aap 1942...page 178 dekhe .aapne rewari to likh dee lekin rewari kaun c chahiye yeh nahi likha....rewari 2 tarah kee hoti hai (cheeni kee vah gurh kee).........
IRON GOLI ..................Kyonki yeh group sirf lal kitab par hai issliye iss group mein besir pair kee baaton ko aap agar ahmiyat na de to behtar hoga...(mafi chahta hoon ) agar koi aapse (group) poochhta hai to jawab milta hai ki sirf discussion hogi upay nahi bataya jayega ( kya mein galat hoon? ) kya iron goli se pehle budh ka swabhav nahi dekha jayega kyonki pujya Pt. jee ne budh 3..9 ke liye yehi likha hai ki upay se pehle budh ka swabhav avash dekhe.lk1942 page..187, yeh bhee to ho sakta hai ki iron kee bajay sheeshe (glass) kee golo chahiye (kancha)......
Aise hee aapne jo upay bataye hain mein sab ko galat sabit kar sakta hoon...........
aap bhee yeh baat achhi tarah se jante hain lekin fir bhee manghadant upay bata rahe hai bina teva darusti ke,jo ki iss group ke liye uchit nahi hai, mujh ko jo achha laga meine likh diya , aapko bura lage to mafi chahta hoon.
ek baar fir se sab members se aur varun jee aapse mafi mangta hoon ki meine apni baaton se aap sab ka dil dukhaya.....
dhanyawad sahit.
Jagmohana Mahajan
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